This one could be tampered with, especially when it gets to the logo. But it’s interesting nonetheless to speculate.
Suppose time travelers are living among us? And as far back as the 1950s? Well, if they were that far back, I think they might have helped us along a bit better in the elections!
Maybe these videos are actually trailers for new time travel movies??
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Then there’s this second video from Eisenhower’s granddaughter talking about government time travel programs.
well, when i saw the billboard, i was a bit freaked myself, i can tell you! very odd!
wanna hear something else odd – the wv here? "diesses"
OK, now I'm a bit freaked out about this phoenix thing!!
no, i do not jest – for real – a white car cut me off from the left lane as i drove in the right lane – the tag read just that – however, because of the type license holder, i was unable to see the state name – but it was a white background tag – i thought the whole thing of the black/white colors and the left/right lanes was interesting too – just like some kind of weird something playing out – and/or my overly active mind working overtime on it all with the symbolism – anyway – i do not jest – really happened a week or so ago – and actually, i had the forethought to have brought along a "witness" with me for the experience! š my sister was in the car when it happened –
i too read the illusionist/magic castle thing – weird –
oh, and another weird thing, trish – on our phoenix conversations – right after our messages, i left my house and picked my sister up to take her to an appt downtown – just as we approached the "main drag" there was a billboard standing alone at the base of the overpass we took – the only language visible: "i am a phoenix" –
Gypsy – very weird license plate to see!!
OK. Just a point of interest. While browsing for academic background on StarFire Tor,considering my own background and studies in similar subjects, I found her on youtube in 2006. It was her initial public appearance, of sorts. Most interesting in this series of self-written semi-articles is the notation that her partner and associate is "the illusionist Brandon Scott". They worked out of a place called The Magic Castle. Am I reaching here, or does it say something that her close associate is an illusionist?
Just thinkin'. cj
Gypsy surely you jest! REALLY?? That was on the license plate? Oh, girl, you better be on your toes! Remember in MU, anything can happen and usually does! š Oh no! Another weirded out WV: "bulowpbb" Sounds like Hogwart-Speak to me! cj
WELL, FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL!!!
i've just been sitting here wondering HOW LONG it was gonna take you all!!! and that would be HOGWARTS UNIVERSITY, right?
could be phd paul in different clothing from his closed [well, cracked, anyway] closet – by the way, i think i saw him the other day – no, really! i think i did! i was in the RIGHT lane [in my BLACK car] and there was a WHITE car beside me in the LEFT lane – and out of the clear blue sky, the white car zipped in front of mine, switching lanes WITHOUT signaling at all – nearly got bumped RIGHT back to where he'd come from – and the license tag??? PAUL PHD!!! NO JOKE!!! FOR REAL! – or wait – was it all just a dream? –
wv here – diumma = AMID MU
Oh geez my sides are hurting, guys!
Stop it! I haven't laughed so hard in a long time! Lord have mercy….that is soooooo funny! Probably true, but nonetheless so funny!
WV: "redsaing" cj
I think her degrees are from Hogwarts.
I have just clicked onto, and then just as quickly off of, the site provided by a person called by a New Agey sounding pseudonym: StarFire Tor. Rather astonishingly, this person initially writes, "I AM THE DISCOVERER OF TIME SHIFTS, THE CORE MATRIX, CO-EXISTING TIME LINES, AND THE UNIFIED FIELD THEORY OF PSI. MY PIONEERING RESEARCH IS LEGENDARY…..etc etc etc." Pretty impressive self aggrandizement. Sounds like this person must be at least several centuries or more in age, considering that these above-mentioned subjects appear in the biographies of some of this world's greatest minds who are no longer walking the planet. Is StarFireTor channeling these deceased geniuses? Why haven't we heard of you and your work…those of us who have been diligently but much more quietly and humbly operating for many decades within the same genres as you? I have several questions, and would deeply appreciate a response, as I am not being facetious: Who is StarFireTor, and what are your credentials, outside your self-proclaimed presentation of your achievements? Education? Universities? Degrees? In what subjects? Astrophysics? Quantum Physics? Calculus? Trigonometry?
Aeronautical Engineering? Theoretical Science? Astronomy? Geophysics? Please tell us more about yourself. This is a legitimate inquiry with a legitimate list of questions, if you are interested in being considered a legitimate voice in the arenas you claim as your own discoveries. Thank you. cj
hubby showed me a few of these, i'm quite dumbstuck… can they be real???? a lot of them certainly do. and did they even have the technology back then to 'fake' this kinda stuff back then so well??? i just don't know…
Playing the role of devil's advocate here, with absolutely no malice intended, there are a few points I'd like to discuss. Most thinking people understand that the U.S. government goes to infinite lengths in its efforts to create smoke and mirrors when it wants to persuade the masses to believe and accept certain ideas or facts. (These smoke and mirror effects extend to the truths or non-truths surrounding the presence of UFOs and ETs.) Just as no one can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that The Phidelphia Experiment DID occur as reported, there is no way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it did NOT occur, in certain of its essential aspects. Perhaps giving the USS Eldridge to the Greeks was part of a much bigger ploy to cause the public to view the entire event as a hoax. (Similar to attempts at denying the existence of Area 51 and the reality of the Roswell Incident.) Perhaps the USS Eldridge is being held in Greece in a classified agreement with the U.S. gov't, and perhaps, that ship may not be in Greece at all. Proving that it is in Greece is impossible, because photographs can be faked, and a ship can be disguised to appear to be another ship even in overt physical inspection. The USS Eldridge may indeed be in an undisclosed Black-Ops location in this country, with a replica in our ally, Greece. I'm only presenting logical, reasonable possibilities here, not conspiracy theories. The military would never knowingly allow our enemies to suspect that we have come close to discovering the ability to cloak our ships and/or planes, or that an experiment gone disastrously awry resulted in unthinkable catastrophe. It is undeniable that a great deal is kept hidden from the American public. We only know, and are led to think and believe, exactly what the gov't wants us to know and think and believe. The president, our Commander-in-Chief, is not privy to a great deal of such information. He (or she) doesn't have Above-Top-Secret classification. There are many over his head who do. As ordinary citizens, no matter who we may be acquainted with in the military or in government or otherwise, or even as a member ourselves of such organizations, we would not be privy to any Above-Top-Secret classified information or secrets, and if we HAD that information as evidential fact, we wouldn't be posting it on a blog. My position, here, is that we may only come to incontrovertible personal conclusions on any issue about which we have incontrovertible evidential proof. Otherwise, our ideas are open to the opposing ideas of others, who may be just as much in the know in support of their own ideas. Above-Top-Secret is exactly that, and without access to such hidden information, we may only surmise what we present based on our individual interpretations of the knowledge at hand, which is incomplete and may be smoke and mirrors. The science of mathematics is the single, the only constant in our particular universe, and the answers are always layered within the context of mathematics. Physics can be flawed and incomplete. Mathematics isn't flawed nor is it incomplete. Look there for truth.
cj
In a comment above, Trish and Rob note that Starfire has been referred to as a "Time Traveler experiencer" herself. I am intensely interested in learning of any means she has developed of actually PROVING she is a Time Traveler experiencer, so that I might share the information with the Time Traveler experiencer I've just discussed. It would be most helpful for him and I'm certain he would be relieved and grateful to obtain such information. cj
I'm intimately acquainted with a person who is the real deal. he is a Time Traveler, but not by choice, and he doesn't reveal these experiences to other people except to me. Attempting to prove that he is a Time Traveler is of no interest to him. Proving his experiences beyond any shadow of a doubt in any event would be quite difficult, considering that he travels to our future, (or possibly what seems to be our future but what may actually be a parallel or different dimension as opposed to our future), and since we aren't yet "there", such proof would be almost moot. This person seeks no publicity, no fame, no fortune; he is the most grounded and stable individual I've ever known. He's also among the most private individuals I've ever known. He has much to lose if he were to "come out" with these experiences, and nothing would be achieved except the derision and debunking that would accompany such coming out. His visits to the future are spontaneous and he would prefer that they not occur, because he has very young children and is aware of what a distant Tomorrow (potentially) holds for them. I do not for one moment doubt the veracity or the truth of this man. He has zero to gain by confiding these Time Travel incidents even to me, besides the fact that he NEEDS to share it with SOMEONE, and he trusts me. He isn't doing remote viewing or PSI progressions. He is actually traveling. The revelations discovered during these travels disturb him, the traveling itself usually has physical repercussions in his body, and he would much prefer to remain secure in this timeframe.(Or dimension) Nonetheless, he is a genuine Traveler. No hoax, no foul. He does "bring back" with him certain bits and pieces of "stuff" that make these travels impossible for me to DIS-believe. Does he understand the dynamics of his own experiences, or how and why they happen? No. Only that they happen. For what it's worth, he isn't into Sci-Fi books, movies, etc, so is not 'programmed' by such external information or belief constructs. In my opinion, there is a great deal more to our convoluted Reality than most folks can conceive or are willing to accept, even provisionally. cj
Starfire Tor responds with more on the Philadelphia Experiment.
"I have a number of friends and acquaintances in many branches of the military. I can tell you that just because someone is in the military doesn't mean that they know the deepest of military secrets.
Military peeps have the same curiosity about UFOs, psi, & time anomalies as anyone else & are exposed to the same info & disinfo campaigns as anyone else.
If a retired Naval officer had an interest in The Philadelphia Exp, then he would also be able to do what I did – track the Eldridge when the US handed it to the Greek Navy. Besides all of my in-depth TPE research, common sense says that if the Eldridge had been involved in what the legend says, then the US would never let it go. It would still be in research lock down somewhere.
I liked your book The Fog because I believe that Gernon's story is authentic. I have investigated similar encounters involving other planes and other pilots, some flying between the Bahamas to South Florida. In fact I actually worked with Dr. Valentine & was the go-to investigator for UFOs, time travel, & time anomalies.
Yes, you mention TPE in the book but you didn't say that TPE was responsible for Gernon's adventures. You turned to info about AUTEC, which I thought was a good choice.
BTW, Berlitz did not create The Philadelphia Exp story. I document the actual creation story in my report. Berlitz did play a big role in promoting it to the masses. When it comes to real adventures in time travel, The Philadelphia Exp is a red herring.
Like other hoaxes, such as those involving UFOs & ET, those in the know about real UFO & ET info are more than happy to have hoaxes dominate public belief. Then when someone comes out with real info, the truth is lost in the muck & mire of hoaxes."
Ray – interesting theory about the laptop.
Time travel is a fascinating idea and probably happening somewhere within the government, but as with most other mysterious stuff, there's much disinformation. We'll probably never know the full story. Unless, of course, one of us is a traveler!
I love this post.. I am fascinated by time Travels and travelers. and would like to meet one ( or two or more)
and since my memory seems to be failing me again today, let me add here, that i had also intended to respond to the macgregor comment to starfire:
"There is probably some truth to the story, possibly an experiment in shielding a ship from radar. But maybe by the time Charles Berlitz got his hands on it, the story had taken on a life of its own. Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't get the impression that he was spreading disinformation. And if he was, for what purpose? Just to keep us on our toes?"
which is exactly what i was thinking – if so, then for what possible purpose???
wv = chogra = arch go? arc hog? š
oh, you're so right, cousin cj – our parallel experiences are mind-boggling even to me at times – about TPE, don't even get me started cause you know i've been right beside you there, as well!
As usual, Cousin Gyps, our thoughtforms follow a parallel path just as the myriad experiences of our separate lives have always done. And as usual, we're on the same wavelength and frequency. I still study TPE and each time, find something more compelling about the incident that defies denial. Not all of it, but some if it. Certain of my own experiences cannot help but support the reality of some form of "cloaking", or of invisibility, when navigation of the barriers between dimensions is occurring. I tend to think perhaps the movie CONTACT had at least a smidgen of Truth buried within the storyline. And, after all, it's author was a genius and was CONNECTED. cj
I had a thought on the first video. Until perfected time travel is dangerous and potentially lethal. Could a laptop have been sent to the 1950s and the individual holding it not be a time traveler? I know the Apple logo screams fraud, but could a laptop from our future migrate to our past?
Of interest to me is the duck and cover. I am of the generation that went to elementary school in that era. I grew up near a Strategic Air Command base where that was taken seriously even though I wonder how that would have helped in case of a direct hit.
Ray
like cj, while my personal opinion matters only to me, and will not change this world or the next, and having read both the pros and cons of TPE as well as einstein, tesla and edison, my own conclusion is that there is significant evidence to support to some degree, at least, the truth to "certain essential aspects of TPE" – [cj, your thought process was so much like mine i was unable to render a much different text of my own!!] š
My personal library contains a pretty significant section of texts on The Philadelphia Experiment, some of it pro, some of it con, regarding whether or not the event actually occurred, and if so, how and why and who was participating. As a serious student of Einstein and Tesla and Edison, I'm intensely interested in the dynamics of TPE and its potential implications. Haven't yet read the site sent by Starfire, but will do so today. It's generally my tendency to lean towards the hypotheses and conclusions of people such as Einstein and Tesla and Edison, but I can keep an open mind. It's been pretty well substantiated that there are certain essential aspects of TPE that are true. Will read Starfire's material and weigh and balance that with the Whole in terms of where I stand on the issue. My opinion only matters to me, of course, and won't change the world! (Although the awesome technology involved in TPE absolutely does!) š cj
Hej Trish and Rob,
Just read an article that might be of interest for you although not related to this post.
This is the link:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19712-is-this-evidence-that-we-can-see-the-future.html
Enjoy.
Here was my reply to Starfire.
Thanks, Starfire, interesting commentary. I was recently contacted by a retired Navy officer who told me about his Bermuda Triangle experiences after reading my book, THE FOG.
During the hour-long conversation he mentioned the Philadephia Experiment a couple of times and sounded as if he believed it was a fact.
There is probably some truth to the story, possibly an experiment in shielding a ship from radar. But maybe by the time Charles Berlitz got his hands on it, the story had taken on a life of its own.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't get the impression that he was spreading disinformation. And if he was, for what purpose? Just to keep us on our toes? š
Here's the web site. The one she listed is broken.
https://www.starfiretor.com/PE/ExposingTheLiesAndRepairingTheDamage.htm
To StarfireTor: Not to be argumentative, but I would very much want to see credible evidence by credible, and I do mean CREDIBLE, sources, denying the validity of each and every aspect of The Philadelphia Experiment. Until I am able to view and evaluate such material for myself, I withhold judgment on whether or not The Philadelphia Experiment was a hoax in all its components.
cj
Here's a commentary on the second video sent to us via e-mail by Starfire Tor, who refers to herself as a time travel expert. Elsewhere, I've seen her referred to as a TT experiencer.
Starfire wrote: "Rob, like so many other cutting edge topics – UFOs, ET, psi, suppressed science & hidden history – time travel is a topic that attracts a large share of frauds, hoaxes, & disinformation. Much of this involves people who have made their disinformation a career, & in some cases an industry.
I'm aware of the people & claims connected to what you've posted, & to various degrees they are all part of either personal or group driven disinformation. Some are out-&-out hoaxers. Besides my deep knowledge of the time travel topic, I've developed criteria that helps to determine whether a claim & person is credible. Where possible I've made this criteria available to the public.
One important criteria that I made public is found in my expose "The Philadelphia Experiment Hoax Report."
https://www.facebook.coml9d3eb;www.starfiretor.comPEThePhiladelphiaExperimentHoaxReport.htm
TPE was always a hoax. So anyone who attaches their claim to TPE is proven to be dealing in disinformation. Check out how many of the mentioned people & claims are tangled up with TPE. It's an eye opener.
The sad part is, time travel is a reality & disinfo harms the integrity of the topic & the authentic people dealing in time travel truth. Hoaxers & disinformationists feed off of each other, as they build their reputations & biz. From time to time even ethical people are fooled by time travel disinfo, so they end up supporting & spreading the disinfo. It becomes frustrating.
Here's my own quote about the reality of time travel: "Time travel will be or has been developed at some point in time, in some co-existing time line. Therefore, time travelers have either been here already, or are here now"."
Hi Ann, Thanks for your comments about the blog and your story. It's a good question that you ask, good enough for a separate post. We'll put it up during the next week or two, and I'm sure that you'll get some interesting responses.
We would ask others to hold off on responding until that time. Thanks.
Hi my name is Ann. I found your blog about a week ago searching for "synchronicity", and I just love it. It is a true gemstone, with such an open minded and positive energy that really makes you want to share.
I have an experience with synchronicity in my family that I would like to get some thoughts on. It is a very tragic story, Iām afraid.
A couple of years ago my father in law died suddenly from cancer. It went only two weeks from the time we got to know that he actually was sick until he was gone. It was a great shock and a tragedy. The next day while we were planning the funeral with the funeral agency, my brother in law got a telephone from his wife. Her father had been missing since the day before, and she phoned to tell that he now had been found dead from an accident, by slipping on a stone in the forest. I will never forget the face of my brother in law when he got the news, and we all got the feeling of the world falling apart around us.
I think my family has recovered relatively well from these events, but just as good synchronicities make you feel that the world is beautiful and harmonious, and multiply the good feelings, the bad ones has the opposite effect. I feel that the experience has left my brother and sister in law with the impression of a sort of ominous cloud hanging over their lives that threaten to multiply every bad event.
The synchronicities of the world can be really cruel. And the question why is inevitable for everyone, and perhaps even more for people with a strong spiritual connection to the universe. Is it possible to transform such a horrible experience to something good, and start trusting the universe again? I would like to ask if any of you have any thoughts on the matter.
yeah it would definitely explain so much,, strange your timing getting in line (synch) with GN there Rob….. rmember investing this kind of thing because of the tech,, becomes virtually IMPOSS……. ain't nobody making no demands on this CHIT
The second clip is definitely the most interesting.
I am gonna look around and get back to you, re: 2nd video clip.
I don't have any faith in the time traveler ones.
The apple laptop could be a photoshop thing. Or just a notebook. But it's certainly fun to speculate!
I see that Vicki and me posted at exactly the same time!
Always a fascinating subject … but an Apple laptop! Doesn't ring true somehow.
I do feel though that time travel is viable but it would pose a lot of possible ethical problems to overcome. The visitor could even do something to negate his very exisitence.
Certainly fun to speculate.
Hmmmm.
The first computer laptop video didn't seem like much other than a girl holding a notebook.
But the second video? Interesting. I think I had heard about her commenting about these things before and she was not written off as a nutcase. I would want to do more research, no matter what it is interesting.
I do believe that there are time travellers amongst us.
"it's interesting nonetheless to speculate."
I couldn't agree more!
Thanks for sharing this.