Hoax or the Beginning of Disclosure?

I first ran across this video on Strieber’s Unknown Country.  When I stopped by his site today, he had additional information about it, from a video expert.  As he notes, there’s something creepy about this.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7UtPLCw3A&feature=player_embedded

 

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9 Responses to Hoax or the Beginning of Disclosure?

  1. fortune500 says:

    Gypsy, I just went back and looked closely at this video several times and yes, there is definitely the reflection of the moving object being seen through those windows. How would they photo-shop those, I wonder, if they did. And you are 150% on the mark….there is more going on in New Mexico than the general public or even the locals can imagine. Having had a horrific, terrifying, “lost time” encounter in 1981 on a tarmac at Warner Robins AFB in GA, with apparent American military personnel and alien Greys, with helicopters and circling craft, I have less than zero trust in our government and military about this business. So who knows? Some are hoaxes. Some ar entirely too, too real, and the hoaxes make the real ones difficult to believe unless one experiences them. I tend to think the powers-that-be are getting better and better at turning the real deals into hoaxes in terms of publicity, and this is an abomination and a travesty. This one may be a hoax, but it may be real. We can’t know either way unless we were there, and even then, sometimes things aren’t always what they seem, all things considered with the military and government controls.

  2. gypsy says:

    ok – first of all – i’m not going to immediately vote this video as a hoax even though i do not rule it out totally – my initial reaction is that it may not be a hoax and that it has more to do with a us government craft than with an alien craft – but in response to and/or in addition to a couple of things in the comments above – at about marker 40seconds on the tape, when the craft begins to descend/land there is what appears to be a commercial logo on the building in the foreground – but i personally am unable to make out the lettering of it – can anyone else make out the lettering? is this what is being referred to as intel? the logo of intel to me does not look quite like the logo in this video – even though the area of rio ranchos might make sense [to me] for the location of this video – the other thing in the video that i noticed is that at about marker 36seconds there is what seems to be a “moving reflection” visible in the glass of the building in the foreground – does anyone else see this and/or have any thoughts? the shape of the moving reflection seems similar to that of the moving craft – so is it the craft that is visible through the row of windows of this building? – about the green highway signs – i’m unsure as to what laurence refers in his comment about them? – that they are blurred? that they are there??? can the lettering on them be made out? – about las cruces, well, let me just say that there are more things being done there than any one of us on the outside can imagine – but back to this specific video – also in terms of laurence’s comment, i’m not sure about the thing of “structural damage” in terms of a craft – this one or any other – landing as we see it – i mean, what if the structure that looks to be a “building with a closed roof” is, in fact, a structure with on overhead opening large enough to accommodate the landing of a craft this size? and i didn’t see any thing to make me think that the craft was actually landing on top of the building – and to be clear, these are simply observations of my own and thinking aloud about this video – now, about the lack of military intercept if this is not a hoax – from my own PERSONAL experiences in having been involved in several ufo sightings, that lack of military intercept is of absolutely no consequence to me whatsoever in terms of the actual sighting of a ufo being valid or not – how many times have the military actually sent out interceptors of any kind for ufo sightings in recent years – that we know of , anyway – again, from my own personal experiences, that is a non-issue – and i’m not really concerned with a lack of reporting from other people – just one example of this is on the day of 9/11 – i was living virginia then, just across key bridge from washington dc – the pentagon was visible from my apartment – after it was struck and had become a burning inferno, let me tell you that when i was in my car going to get my daughter to get the hell out of dc, with the pentagon flames/smoke visible, the streets were filled with pedestrians and motorists seemingly oblivious to that, walking down the streets as if not a care in the world – not seeing what was filling the sky – so – the fact that a small craft landing in an industrial park is not reported by a drove of people is inconsequential to me, as well – sorry, i digress – the thing for me with this video is that there seem to be enough visible markers [highway signs, building and vehicular/truck logos, etc.] that the location could be identified – or have i missed that it has been identified? – and then, there are the markings on the craft itself – there was what to me seemed to be a white star on this craft, visible as it lands – also, there is visible what seems to be spurts of fire/flames from the two “pipes” on the rear as it lands – for me, if the video is not a total hoax, i might go more with the theory that the craft is one of our own government’s –

    and i want to reiterate fortune’s remark about remaining open to possibilities when it comes to things that we individually might not have experienced – and also, trish’s comment about even when we experience something ourselves, at times it may be so extraordinary that we have difficulty defining the reality of that experience for ourselves – questioning our own experience[s] –

    interesting post – keep us posted of updates??? 😉

  3. fortune500 says:

    But, even if it is a trailer for a movie, there would be no way to prevent all the lookie-loos that would be present because the public would not possibly have been notified that a movie scene was being shot….please stay away, so the absence of humans is suspect and seems to support the hoax theory. A comment I do want to make: We live not very far north from the launch pad at NASA, and watch all the day and night launches of shuttles and rockets. They cause our house to shake, rattle, and roll, light up the skies at night, and besides that, it’s never ceased to be thrilling to watch our “birds” leaving that pad and then coming back in. Regarding the shuttle returns, there are “support vehicles activated”, Laurence, but they aren’t IN THE AIR. They, along with medical teams, etc, are sitting on or near the tarmac when she rolls back in with parachute flapping behind her. So I must disagree just with that portion of your analysis because we live here and NASA is a relatively close neighbor of ours. Watching the video several times, I simply sense it isn’t real. I can’t even give a logical reason beyond intuition, and the fact that watching it doesn’t touch that particualr place in me that kicks in when true encounters occur. (No, that isn’t logical. It’s my Gut reaction to UFOs and their occupants, and this didn’t raise that gut reaction.) Laurence has outlined pretty much anything and everything that would tend to make this a hoax, and I agree with almost all of his reasonable and knowledgable analysis. All this taken into consideration, however, I think it behooves us to remain open-minded and never dogmatic when such an incident occurs and we weren’t present witnesses. In this day and age, with the world governments being who and what they are, I tend to find everything like this suspect and don’t allow myself to make a final definitive yes or no, because in point of fact, we simply can’t know as an Absolute whether it is real or not. I THINK “not real”, but………….????????

  4. Laurence Zankowski says:

    Fake,

    The specular and ambient reflective light is wrong, also, unknown, sorry, there are only three places in NM that would have that type of over pass with an industrial park. Albuquerque, nope to many people on an airbase with access to acquisition devices. ( i was a contract photog for the 377th ABW ) . To many people present all the time with smartphones. How about that INTEL Corp. is up on the mesa in Rio Rancho and again, to many people with smart phones. I am not saying it was not in that area, i am just saying that if an aircraft of that size approaches holloman, white sands, kirtland, you would see NM air national F 16s, usaf cv22s, maybe a few spookies and a hell of a lot of apache gunships. Sorry, no deal here. South of Albuquerque, Las Lunas?, Belen? To much traffic 24/7 see above. This is just to prove my point that the place this happened is “unknown” is a false claim.

    Farmington? Maybe location, but again, to many people with smartphones and did you notice in the light no people? And in this day and age, blurring of signs, no focus, …
    But just to stay in that four corners area, nellis airbase would scramble everything! And would be there before those guys put the car in park. And if it was military, there would be dozens of support craft. When ever the shuttle came in there were dozens of support vehicles activated.

    And there is more to this especially with all the air traffic from operations that are ongoing 24/7!

    Moving on:

    Las Cruces, could be most likely spot do to over pass and the graffiti on the cement.
    But again, where are the intercepts, and do not tell me an aircraft of that size that can be seen is not creating a fingerprint on detection systems. Not in the 21st century.

    But lets just go Out on limb here! Traffic cams are everywhere near these bases. This would have been all over local news, these cams are monitored. Plus, all the casino cams would have picked this up. So to the north of Albuquerque, you would have Sandia Casino and directly south you would have Isleta Casino, and these are reservations, they have traffic cams that can see 3 miles + .

    And to the west you have this:
    Fort Huachuca, Border Patrol with all their interdiction balloons, 24/7 monitoring by satellites, nope, nice try…

    Now lets just work on the mountain range in the background. I don’t know maybe my 9 years living in NM, means i don’t see. Well, i have 110k on my road king, it is my only transportation. I do see! Those mountains in the back ground look strangely like the Manzanos, which is south of the Sandias. Which means that this looks to be south of Albuquerque.

    But i am willing to be told i am wrong, so here is my burden of proof. Get me 200 smartphone, traffic cam, casino cam videos, and all the pilot chatter from the airbases, police and news teams.

    More proof! My biggest problem is the overpass underpass and them stopping in an area that looks over the industrial park. They are traveling at speed. They go under a major highway. Why you say, for the amount of time it takes to clear the underpass at speed. Plus the green interstate highway signs. Second, the building that the hoax aircraft supposedly goes behind is a massive structure we would see structural damage from building. It is not landing in a parking lot. Go and do google maps, satellite view. Look for major over passes. Look for industrial parks. Look at the mountains. Grants, Albuquerque, Farmington, Santa Fe, Las Cruces, Socorro, major towns.

    I am done ranting, I apologize in advance for taking up comment space.
    Be well

    Laurence

    • Rob and Trish says:

      Great detail here, Laurence. Thanks! The ship seemed way too large to be a real thing, for all the reasons you list. Maybe it’s a trailer for an upcoming movie. And that’s the whole thing. These days, technology being what it is, we can never be 100 percent sure unless we, ourselves, experience whatever it is. And even then, we are primed to doubt the validity of our own experiences. Really? I saw that? Experienced that?

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